I recently chatted with my old friend Max More to reflect on our history within the Extropian movement and discuss our views on the future of technology.
The video of this conversation is published on YouTube by Mindplex.
We first met through the Extropians mailing list in the late 90s, and I’ve recently been revisiting those old archives and issues of Extropy magazine. While I loved the optimistic vibe of that era, I used to find the projected timelines for technology development unrealistically optimistic. However, the current artificial intelligence (AI) revolution has made me far more optimistic about rapid progress in all Extropian technologies.
Max, interestingly, has moved in the opposite direction, becoming more cautious about short-term expectations. He expressed skepticism that current AI architectures, specifically transformers and Large Language Models (LLMs), will lead to superintelligence or solve complex biological problems like aging in the immediate future. He noted that technological adoption often follows a slow S-curve rather than a smooth exponential line due to regulatory and cultural factors. Despite this, we both acknowledged current wonders, such as AI assisting in mathematical demonstrations and the emergence of commercially available self-driving vehicles like Waymo.
Our conversation turned to the history of the Extropy Institute and the magazine, which Max started in 1988 to systematize ideas about life extension, space, and intelligence. We reminisced about how the movement correctly anticipated major trends like cryptocurrency and smart contracts, which were explored on the mailing list long before they became mainstream. We could use modern AI to digitize and format old PDF scans of Extropy magazine into high-quality electronic documents to preserve this history.
We discussed life extension and “biostasis” (Max’s preferred term for cryonics). Max emphasized that biostasis should be a “Plan A” emergency fund for anyone interested in the future, as biological breakthroughs might not arrive in time for our generation. He shared recent promising research on thymus gland regeneration and high-fidelity brain preservation. I shared my interest in “soft uploading” or mind-filing, where detailed digital traces of a person might one day allow for their reconstruction by a superintelligent AI.
I told Max that I’m not signed up for cryonics, or more generally biostasis, because I don’t have the money. Max mentioned Sparks Brain Preservation as an option that could be very complicated but cheap. I’ll certainly look into that. I believe in some or some other kind of life after death so if I can’t be preserved in biostasis it’s no big deal, but it would be fun to see what happens next with my memories intact.
Max updated me on his recent work, including a newly finished book on biostasis (waiting for a publisher) and his ongoing “True Transhumanism” essay series. While I find myself moving away from the label “transhumanist” in favor of “Extropian,” we both remain dedicated to the principles of morphological freedom and the continual improvement of the human condition.
