I like what you say, Giulio, and hope to attend this event. My personal view, FWIW, is that I think (despite the negative opinions on this that I've seen from scientific or other "mainstream" sources) we will migrate into cyber cities, similar to Robin Hanson's "em cities" only probably not based on Earth, but in solar orbit. There won' be that much incentive or pressure to go farther than the solar system for a very long time, maybe a smattering of space probes and such but closer to home the vast majority I think will find various avenues to very rewarding and fulfilling lifestyles, in virtual worlds of different sorts. (But of course I could be wrong.)
On Fedorov: you say
"'Fedorovians tend to identify as Orthodox Christians, while interpreting Christianity in very particular ways,' notes Anya Bernstein. Predictably, the Orthodox Church sees Fedorov’s views as 'nothing but heretical, since they advocate active human involvement in resurrection.' But I think Fedorov’s views are closer to God than official Christian doctrines."
Here's a thought. Jesus says, "heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, and cast out demons." (Mt.10:8). He doesn't say, "Well, you can't raise the dead yourselves, so don't ever think of trying, but instead you have to depend on God for that -- the other things I mentioned feel free to be very proactive about, however." So you do have plausible ground, I think, to challenge the Orthodox position you refer to.
Hi Mike. Yes, exactly. Jesus also says "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do" (John 14:12). We Fedorovians are closer to God.
There'll be cyber cities and virtual worlds for software humans, but I don't think too many people will want to move there, at least not while they are young strong & healthy. Remember when we thought that Second Life was to be the future of everything. It turned out that, yes, Second Life and similar virtual environment attract some people like a magnet, but most people don't really care.
As I say in other posts, I think our AI mind children will go to the stars and colonize the universe, not "us," but we still can and must get space expansion started in the solar system in this century.
Thanks for this, G. I am sure you know that Dostoevsky ended The Brothers Karamazov with an affirmation of the certainty of resurrection of friends forever. But this is a too rarely quoted statement in TBK that feels like Fedorov:
"I understand it all too well, Ivan: to want to love with your insides, your guts---you said it beautifully, and I'm terribly glad that you want so much to live," Alyosha exclaimed. "I think that everyone should love life before everything else in the world." "Love life more than its meaning?" "Certainly, love it before logic, as you say, certainly before logic, and only then will I also understand its meaning. That is how I've long imagined it. Half your work is done and acquired, Ivan: you love life. Now you need only apply yourself to the second half, and you are saved." "You're already saving me, though maybe I wasn't perishing. And what does this second half consist of?" "Resurrecting your dead, who may never have died. Now give me some tea. I'm glad we're talking, Ivan."
We can't know if Dostoïevski intended this in the literal Fedorovian sense of physical resurrection in the physical world. But Eltchaninoff adds that, in a note related to TBK, Dostoïevski wrote that the resurrection of our ancestors depends on us.
I like what you say, Giulio, and hope to attend this event. My personal view, FWIW, is that I think (despite the negative opinions on this that I've seen from scientific or other "mainstream" sources) we will migrate into cyber cities, similar to Robin Hanson's "em cities" only probably not based on Earth, but in solar orbit. There won' be that much incentive or pressure to go farther than the solar system for a very long time, maybe a smattering of space probes and such but closer to home the vast majority I think will find various avenues to very rewarding and fulfilling lifestyles, in virtual worlds of different sorts. (But of course I could be wrong.)
On Fedorov: you say
"'Fedorovians tend to identify as Orthodox Christians, while interpreting Christianity in very particular ways,' notes Anya Bernstein. Predictably, the Orthodox Church sees Fedorov’s views as 'nothing but heretical, since they advocate active human involvement in resurrection.' But I think Fedorov’s views are closer to God than official Christian doctrines."
Here's a thought. Jesus says, "heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, and cast out demons." (Mt.10:8). He doesn't say, "Well, you can't raise the dead yourselves, so don't ever think of trying, but instead you have to depend on God for that -- the other things I mentioned feel free to be very proactive about, however." So you do have plausible ground, I think, to challenge the Orthodox position you refer to.
Hi Mike. Yes, exactly. Jesus also says "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do" (John 14:12). We Fedorovians are closer to God.
There'll be cyber cities and virtual worlds for software humans, but I don't think too many people will want to move there, at least not while they are young strong & healthy. Remember when we thought that Second Life was to be the future of everything. It turned out that, yes, Second Life and similar virtual environment attract some people like a magnet, but most people don't really care.
As I say in other posts, I think our AI mind children will go to the stars and colonize the universe, not "us," but we still can and must get space expansion started in the solar system in this century.
Thanks for this, G. I am sure you know that Dostoevsky ended The Brothers Karamazov with an affirmation of the certainty of resurrection of friends forever. But this is a too rarely quoted statement in TBK that feels like Fedorov:
"I understand it all too well, Ivan: to want to love with your insides, your guts---you said it beautifully, and I'm terribly glad that you want so much to live," Alyosha exclaimed. "I think that everyone should love life before everything else in the world." "Love life more than its meaning?" "Certainly, love it before logic, as you say, certainly before logic, and only then will I also understand its meaning. That is how I've long imagined it. Half your work is done and acquired, Ivan: you love life. Now you need only apply yourself to the second half, and you are saved." "You're already saving me, though maybe I wasn't perishing. And what does this second half consist of?" "Resurrecting your dead, who may never have died. Now give me some tea. I'm glad we're talking, Ivan."
Hi Randall. Michel Eltchaninoff quotes this passage in his book "Lénine a marché sur la lune: La folle histoire des cosmistes et transhumanistes russes."
We can't know if Dostoïevski intended this in the literal Fedorovian sense of physical resurrection in the physical world. But Eltchaninoff adds that, in a note related to TBK, Dostoïevski wrote that the resurrection of our ancestors depends on us.